AGAIN with the Gnosticism!

From Uncommon Descent

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A “souls” argument against the fine-tuning of the universe?

No, we hadn’t heard of it either. At Cerebral Faith, Christian apologist Evan Minton explains,

Recently, William Lane Craig debated atheist Michael Nugent in Ireland on the existence of God. One of the arguments that Dr. Craig employed was The Fine Tuning Argument for design. I’m going to assume that readers of this article already have some familiarity with the fine tuning, so in case you’re new to the God debate, or this website, or apologetics in general, I discuss The Fine Tuning Argument in this blog post here. In response to the Fine Tuning Argument, Nugent said the following:

“Theists believe that this God fine tuned the physical constants of the universe to allow life. But while these constants do allow life, they don’t seem to be related to that or indeed any purpose. And in any case, from a theist’s perspective, life doesn’t have anything to do with physical constants. It’s spiritual. It could exist alongside any sort of physical constants or even without any physical matter at all. The whole point of theism is that life is not bound to our physical bodies, or physical constants, but is spiritual in nature.”

This argument is one I’ve heard from atheists that I myself have encountered on the internet. In fact, it was even used by an atheist Hugh Ross debated on The Fine Tuning (though I forget the name of that atheist). What Nugent appears to be saying is that since, on Christian theism, man can exist as a mind without a body, as a spirit or ghost, then we need not have a finely tuned universe in order to exist. On the Christian worldview, life could have existed anyway no matter what kind of values the physical constants and quantities took. Everyone could have been created as just spirits. We all could run around as just bodyless ghosts. God didn’t need to finely tune the universe for us to exist.

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I have to say, this is quite a poor argument (much like all of Nugent’s other arguments). The problem with this argument is that it doesn’t refute either premise of the fine tuning argument. Both premises of the argument still stand. More.

Arguments against the fine tuning of the universe do not need to be good arguments. They just need to be the right kind of noise in the right venues.


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Just a quick focus on this text:

What Nugent appears to be saying is that since, on Christian theism, man can exist as a mind without a body, as a spirit or ghost, then we need not have a finely tuned universe in order to exist. On the Christian worldview, life could have existed anyway no matter what kind of values the physical constants and quantities took. Everyone could have been created as just spirits. We all could run around as just bodyless ghosts. God didn’t need to finely tune the universe for us to exist.”

It’s like these people have no idea that Christ spoke a physical creation into being; that Christ rules over the physical world today; that the Christian faith is grounded in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ, and in our good and glorious hope in the physical resurrection of Christ’s followers, who will enjoy eternity in the physical New Heavens and New Earth.

Please.

Leave the mystical whiffle-blather to the Dharmaic fantasies, the metaphysical escapists, and the gnostic liars.

God’s people have actual work, both spiritual and physical, to do in this world.

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